Fallacies of the trinity

FALLACIES OF THE TRINITY

1. Neither Moses nor Jesus preached the trinity or that God is one but with three persona.

2. Both Moses and Jesus preached that there is only one God.

3. To say that Jesus was also god is tantamount to admission that Christianity has at least two gods -- the pure and nonhuman God, and a god-human god.

4. An entity cannot be both god and human at the same time. It is an impossibility.

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Digs Marcus
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Communicatio idiomatum, Moses believed in monolatry.

Ackie Griffin
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I already answered you but you wont hear so i had to explain to you:
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deuteronomy: 6:4.
This is the verse referred by both jesus and moses. The hebrew translation is this " shema israil adonai echad adonai elohim ". The word used for " one " here was " echad". The significance of this word was it represent a special form of unity. It represents a collective noun. One thing only, but it contains numerous parts.
Also wherever the bible mentions ' our god is one ', it always uses the word echad.

Jeyaraj Cain
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was walking on water possible; was raising dead to life, possible? The birth of Jesus was not normal; it was a miracle in itself, so....

Rakesh Haney
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Also the common word used for god in hebrew is elohim. The word -im is added to the end of the name if the gender is male, for plurality. The simple word el is not used. So elohim means god is singular but plural in person.

Jeyaraj Cain
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Its not God like to come in a human form and be born from a human mother and then eat like humans and then talk to them and listen to their disrespectful remarks and then let people catch him and put him on a cross.

Jesus is not God; he is a Prophet of God. And God has always given his Prophets different miracles.

Danish Sullivan
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First you people will ask a question about trinity. If it is answered, we will ask about jesus and that is also if answered, jump to another question ....... Shit!

Jeyaraj Cain 3 years

Jeyaraj Cain I do not agree with the whole concept that includes trinity and Jesus being a God. I cant absorb it. İm sorry.

Danish Sullivan 3 years

Then stop questioning about christianity please.

Jeyaraj Cain 3 years

I have just made my comment on this post. I have no question. I think its absurd. King of the universes coming in human form and living a human life. He doesnt do that all.

Danish Sullivan 3 years

'You ' dont believe it bro. I believe it. Okay?

Jeyaraj Cain 3 years
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>>An entity cannot be both god and human at the same time. It is an impossibility<< except GOD!!!!!!!!!!! you know, cuz God can do whatever the fuck god wants to do

Satur Jimenez
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But God is a royal entity... Supreme in power and splendor! He doesnt come and live a life like this. And based on that analogy, some may claim that God came in different forms in this world and he took form of hindu gods and moses and abrahim etc. May Allah forgive me for writing this.

Danish Sullivan 3 years

Danish Sullivan, who are you to say what God does or does not do? You think he can create an entire universe but can't live a life himself???? How ridiculous!

Satur Jimenez 3 years

Creation of universe is a thing that suits his splendor! Becoming a human is not. Allah told us about his Prophets in his book and I believe in the book of Allah.

Danish Sullivan 3 years

Danish Sullivan sounds like you have a limited God who cannot do certain things... That is not the one true God. The one true God has all power and can do anything.

Satur Jimenez 3 years

Having power is one thing and not doing something is another. For example, Allah likes a humble person a lot... Because Allah himself can never be humble. He is the Almighty King of all, creator of all.

Danish Sullivan 3 years
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Christians should know:

1. That Jesus never claimed that he was god, that he was also god or that he was one of the persona under one godhead.

2. That in the Bible Jesus is called "son of man" 88 times and "son of David" 14 times, and Jesus never referred to himself as "son of God".

3. That even if Jesus claimed that he was God, still, he was not and could never have been God. God is eternal, immortal, omnipotent and omniscient, Jesus was not eternal, not immortal, not omnipotent and not omniscient.

4. The trinity is an impossibility. If Jesus was part of a triune god, being co-equal with the Father in sovereignty, he didn't have to worship the Father. But he did worship the Father which was indubitable proof that he was lower in status, for truly he was just a prophet sent by God.

Digs Marcus
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In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Christians should be woken up:

1. That it is echad, not yachid, that is the Hebrew for the number “one”. Echad is one, shenayim is two, shalosh is three, arba is four, etc. Hebrew and Arabic are sister languages. Echad means one, Ahad in Arabic means one. When echad and ahad are used in connection with the monotheistic Jewish and Islamic concept of God, the contemplation is God being one, unique, indivisible, inseparable and incomparable to anything, and that God is neither a compound nor a mixture.

2. If what Moses contemplated when he said that there is only one God was that he was speaking about a godhead with three persona, then the Jews would have been the first trinitarians. But there were no trinitarians during the time of Moses. There were still no trinitarians during the time of Jesus and in the early years after his ascension. The trinity was formulated and innovated much much later by Pauline theologians.

3. The Athanasian Creed #6 says, "But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one, the Glory equal, the Majesty co-eternal."

This is plain and simple illogical and ridiculous. If Jesus was co-equal in sovereignty with the Father:

a. Jesus would not have needed to worship the Father and he himself would have also demanded worship from mankind, something which he never did. In fact, Jesus rejected even the slightest and remotest suggestion of his divinity. He didn't even want to be called "good", so he would never have claimed godship, godship being the best of all. And between the degrees of good and best there is still "better". "One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me Good? There is none Good but one, that is God . . ." (Matthew 19:16)

b. Jesus would have also been omnipotent and omniscient. But Jesus was not all-powerful for indeed he said, "I can of mine own self do nothing." ( John 5:30) He was also not all-knowing for he was even ignorant of the seasons and he also had no knowledge of the hereafter. "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32) "And seeing a fig tree afar of having leaves, he came if happily he might find any thing there on, and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for the time of figs was not yet." (Mark 11:13)

Peace be unto you!

Jesus taught his disciples to offer the greeting of "Peace" (Luke 10:5) and then set the example "Peace be with you" (Luke 24:36, John 20:19, John 20:21, John 20:26).

Interestingly enough, we find this greeting in Judaism as well (Genesis 43:23, Numbers 6:26, Judges 6:23, I Samuel 1:17 and I Samuel 25:6).

SEEK YE THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE, free from the shackles of polytheism and anthropomorphism.

And Allah knows best.

Digs Marcus
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thats good info man.

Danish Sullivan 3 years

both are cults. Allah pagan moon deity n jesus buddhist monk

Rasengan Taylor
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My dear Hindu friend, Rasengan Taylor, you are here. This one is for you.

The pantheistic Hindu concept of God is flawed. According to it, the Supreme God, Brahman, is the universe, the universe is God; God is nature, nature is God; God is everything, everything is God; Living things and non-living things, animals and humans are manifestations of God.

In effect, Hindus are saying that God is His creation, His creation is Him. This belief system suffers the worst and highest degree of absurdity, ridiculousness and unreasonableness and is without doubt an impossibility. Hindus call their God's attribute of "the Creator" as "Brahma". So naturally they view the whole universe as His creation. Now, logic. How can God, the Creator or Brahma, be His creation at the same time? How can the universe, His creation, be Him at the same time? How can the Creator be His own creation at the same time? Can the car manufacturer be also the manufactured car at the same time? Can the watch, shoes or clothes manufacturer be also the manufactured watch, shoes or clothes at the same time? Therefore, logic dictates that God is separate and disctinct from His creation.

While Hindu scriptures abound with passages on pure and absolute monotheism and evidences that the Supreme God, Brahman, with these attributes as the Creator (Brahma), the Preserver or Sustainer (Vishnu) and the Destroyer (Shiva), is without form and shape and nothing is like unto Him, and is the only one worthy of praise and worship, and while some learned Hindus also admit that God is indeed without corporeal existence, Hindus continue to preserve, adore, cherish, seek help and call on idols that their ancestors imagined, invented and carved. The Hindu flimsy excuse to justify idol-worshipping, though in vain of course, is that they can concentrate and focus better in their meditation with all these idols and graven images in their residences and temples, for anyways, they averred, these physical idols and images are just representations of God's abstract attributes.

What about the Hindu interpretation and summary of Yajurveda 40:9-11 that what is right is to worship both asambhuti and sambhuti and what is wrong is to worship asambhuti alone or to worship sambhuti alone? This futile Hindu attempt to make it appear that there is absolutely nothing wrong with idol-worshipping is mistaken, misled and illogical. The subject mantras from the Yajurveda clearly say that it is wrong to worship asambhuti, it is also wrong to worship sambhuti and it is double wrong to worship both asambhuti and sambhuti. Accordingly, those who worship asambhuti enter into darkness and those who worship sambhuti sink deeper into darkness, so therefore, those who worship both asambhuti and sambhuti submerge into the abyss of darkness. Moreover, the subject Hindu conclusion is ADMISSION and CONFESSION that Hindus do really worhsip things and entities (man-made idols and graven images, animals and even humans) other than the one, true, almighty, creator and supreme God.

Digs Marcus
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Digs Marcus lol again copy pastor. İt must be nice to copy pase BS

Rasengan Taylor
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copy paste or not! The info he wrote is very logical and valid. The arguments are valid and yours on the other hand are nothing but funny attempts to change the topic.

Danish Sullivan 3 years

This is my original composition. If you wantk I can also post other compositions I made when I was having conversations with Hindus.

Digs Marcus
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copy pastor don't lie lol

Rasengan Taylor 3 years

I will post another composition of mine. Wait.

Digs Marcus 3 years

MY REPLY TO SAROJ In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful Peace be unto you! 1. You committed a mistake when you said that asambhuti means Vinash or destruction. For your correct information and proper understanding, asambhuti refers to natural objects like the sun, the moon, air, water and fire. Sambhuti refers to created objects like tables and chairs and like the idols and graven images that you worship in your houses and temples. Vinash means destruction or art, process or causes of destruction. Yajurveda 40:9 unequivocally, straightforwardly, directly and explicitly contains the PROHIBITIONS that tell you, "Do not worship asambhuti for if you do, the effect is you will enter darkness" and "Do not worship sambhuti or else you will sink deeper into darkness, in view of the fact that worshipping man-made things is worst than worshipping natural things." It is like the prohibition of eating pork and dogs. You cannot say that the right thing to do is to eat both pork and dog and what is wrong is to eat pork only or to eat dog only. Eating either is wrong, eating both is a greater wrong. Similarly, worshipping either asambhuti or sambhuti is wrong, worshipping both is the most terrible mistake! 2. Please stop misinterpreting Yajurveda 40:11. I know that you are doing your best to come up with the most clever excuse to make idol-worshipping look right albeit it is wrong by its very nature. Mantra 11 speaks of knowing, being familiar or understanding the processes of both creation and destruction. Nevertheless, it does not call for the worship of either or both natural objects and man-made objects. Again, you clearly missed this point, that if you insist that mantra 11 espouses worship of both asambhuti and sambhuti, then it is like you are ADMITTING and CONFESSING that you Hindus do really worship entities other than the one, true, almighty, creator and supreme God. There would have been no problem if you just said that you can meditate or contemplate on God's attributes. That's fine. But to worship anything beside Him is a grievous mistake. 3. I have stressed this point before but I see now that there is a need to repeat it here, that your idols and carved images are mere products of the imagination and invention of your ancestors. These physical objects, these parcels of sambhuti, do not give you 100% focus when you perform worship and meditation towards the one supreme God which has no shape or form. Of course you know very well that some of these legacies of your ancestors do not even deserve to be part of any spiritual imagination or meditation on the ground of indecency. Please don't force me to mention them here or to post their images here. 4. Your definition of creation that it is the transformation of unmanifested energy from unmanifested state to manifested state doesn't help you in anyway. Bringing out this definition doesn't justify idol-worshipping. I can cite tens of passages here from your revered Scriptures that say that there is only one God and that He is devoid of any corporeal existence and that He is the ONLY one worthy of praise and worship. The point is, He is always without form and without shape. Things, both living and non-living, in this world are His manifestations in the sense that they are His magnificent creatures, but still, you should not worship them, but rather, you should focus your devotion to Him and only Him. You can contemplate on nature and on the natural laws, but you cannot worship them. You can go deep in your study and investigation in the fields of technology, natural science, astronomy, biology, microbiology, genetics and paleontology, but you should not worship these sciences or their processes or resulting theories and laws or the technologies invented or discovered. And Allah knows best.

Digs Marcus 3 years

again copy paste lol u sure love it

Rasengan Taylor 3 years

what about the godhead version where the term "God" can mean God the Father, Christ the Son or The Holy Ghost has been used interchangeably? because they all have the same heart, mind and purpose.

Lehi Burkett
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The three have the same purpose, namely to guide mankind, yes.

They have the same authority, power and knowledge, No.

Digs Marcus
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Digs Marcus yeah right since ur at it can u tell me what's the root of aghanya

Rasengan Taylor
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in God nothing is impossible

Edward Jackson
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Yes nothing is impossible but God does not like being a man and going to washrooms and taking shower and eating and then worshiping himself and calling others his (indirect) fathers and mother.

Danish Sullivan 3 years

but can make like man

Edward Jackson 3 years

make what? Another god like a man. Is it ok? A god can not be created ... It is an impossibility.

Danish Sullivan 3 years

he make himself like a man or disguise a man

Edward Jackson 3 years

I already replied to that. He does not disguise himself. Its not Godly. It serves no purpose. He is not curious about us. He knows more than us about us.

Danish Sullivan 3 years
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Then your god father is a ghost. http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/694341/Hospital-soul-leaves-body-life-after-death

Camille Dunn
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Edward Jackson God has power over all things. But there are things that God will not do, viz. Ungodly acts. An example of an ungodly act is making Himself appear in human form. That is anthropomorphism of the highest order.

Digs Marcus
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it can do nothing is impossible

Edward Jackson 3 years

Please rectify your statement. God cannot do everything.

Digs Marcus 3 years

God can do everything but he does not do everything cos there are alot of things that he does not like and which do not comeup to his level of Royalty.... Like being HUMBLE.

Danish Sullivan 3 years

God cannot, will not and does not do ungodly acts.

Digs Marcus 3 years

I do not agree with the word "can not". But it digresses us from the topic so lets leave it.

Danish Sullivan 3 years

Sounds like Jesus is an alive god, and god father is his ghost to me.

Camille Dunn
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And the holy spirit is the other ghost inside jesus the god.

Camille Dunn
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Mind and senses designed for physical world can't comprehend.
Electrons, protons, atom.... Rvthey one, inside, outside, within... Can be still debated scientifically; as it is physical plane.

Rakesh Haney
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Genesis 1: 26 Let Us make.

Moses wrote Genesis
Who were the US Moses refers to ?

Jesus said in Matthew 28: 20
.... In the name of the Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.

U don't know what is Trinity

Saint Davison
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Illogical. I believe Allah as unexplainable entity when we're trying to explain what is Allah. Human logic just can explain who is Allah and what Allah's adjectives are.

Camille Dunn
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Yes an entity of that level can not be completely comprehended. Like for example you can not comprehend FATE. So Allah is an entity who created everything. But no body created him and he was there since always and nothing was before him and nothing will be after him cos he has no end. This all is inexplainable but formation of universe without a God is also absurd.

Danish Sullivan 3 years

I am a muslim. You don't have to tell me. My statement is for people who think they have logic to explain what Allah is made of.

Camille Dunn 3 years

ok. I did not know.

Danish Sullivan 3 years

Trinity is a catholic doctrine.. It preach false christianity.. A true christians believe in One God and never worship any creation only the creator.. Like idols, statue, images, animals etc...

Emhn Landry
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